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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 10, 2008 18:26:30 GMT -5
Basically, the only things I didn't like about the NJO was the deaths of Chewie and Anakin
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Post by samuel on Aug 11, 2008 3:22:58 GMT -5
I like Timothy Zahn's books a lot too (I'm reading Outbound Flight right now). The only problem is that after reading the likes of Karen Traviss (and some other books by other authors like "Jedi Trials" and "Shatterpoint"), it is very hard for me to have the suspension of disbelief needed to enjoy a Star Wars book with him. The whole reason you read a Zahn book is for the plot twists and intricacies; the only problem with this is that the plots are too intricate, "clever," and amazingly coincidental. Of course even if it's hard to have a suspension of disbelief with his books, they're fun to read anyway because of the suspense he builds up and to see the ways that he brings the plots together.
One Star Wars book I liked a lot was "Cloak of Deception" and I think James Luceno is a pretty good author who is very balanced; it's no surprise that they've let him author so many Star Wars books. What I really like about Cloak of Deception though is that it really shows you how Palpatine does his political maneuvering and such and it is a real Star Wars version of a "suspense thriller".
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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 11, 2008 8:42:40 GMT -5
An earlier point of the authors of Jedi Trials having the Commandos in a team of fifty, do modern armies send fifty commandos?
Karen Traviss wrote the novel adaption for the new Clone Wars movie that comes out this week.
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Post by samuel on Aug 12, 2008 19:58:10 GMT -5
Cool, I'll probably read that sometime.
And there were about 50 commandos (and ARCs) attached to the particular clone division or brigade or whatever it was. This is actually very close to real military hierarchy. Even though the Marine Force Recon is under the command of USSOCOM, a company is most often attached to a marine division and operates within the realm of that division's operations. I think the authors based much of the military details on real military hierarchy rather than specific details from Star Wars. While on one hand, this was probably a little lazier (since they are military men), on the other hand, their system and hierarchy makes more sense strategically and perhaps other Star Wars authors could learn something from them.
And actually, in a major confrontation like in Jedi Trials, there will most likely be more than 50 recon guys watching the enemy. Remember, the mission was reconnaissance, not sabotage.
Is the new Clone Wars movie based on the Clone Wars cartoon?
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Post by Calvin "Freckle" McMurray on Aug 12, 2008 21:05:58 GMT -5
The book i was talking about is Vector Prime.
yes, it is, but it will have more "Just clone" episodes and episodes on whats-her-face the jedi padawan.
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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 12, 2008 21:41:08 GMT -5
((And a whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole lot better done, with more attention to realities and coherence.))
Actually, when all the remaining commandos were lost, they were 'paving the way' for the main force's assault on the hill. Seriously though, sending 50 at one spot isn't very commando ish. Small teams work wonders.
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Post by Calvin "Freckle" McMurray on Aug 12, 2008 22:30:23 GMT -5
Spaceballs graduated from Stormtrooper academy, hence their ability ot shoot.
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Post by samuel on Aug 13, 2008 0:38:42 GMT -5
Special forces are organized just like normal soldiers, you know. They are broken into companies, platoons, squads, and fireteams. I'm sure that the 50 commandos were not just 50 individual special team soldiers randomly shooting up the bad guys. In the American military, it would probably have been about 3 squads broken up into two or three fireteams each. In the Clone Army, it was probably several squads of republic commandos and a squad or two of ARCs under the command of a commissioned officer. They were probably spotting artillery and taking out key enemy positions to make way for the main force to mop up the rest. I'll have to look at the book again to see what you're talking about though; I can't right now though because my older brother has the book.
Not to mention that we sent in tons of Army Rangers (commandos) at the vanguard of our assault on D-Day.
And since there was no issue of support lines or very much "behind enemy lines" areas (if you were "behind enemy lines" you were pretty much in enemy lines which would probably mean that unless you were Anakin, you were probably dead) then there wasn't a whole lot of room for the special forces to operate at their primary roles (sabotage, rescue prisoners/hostages, assassination for instance). And actually, if I remember right, special teams were used to rescue the hostages at the only real "behind enemy lines" area.
I'm looking forward to the clone wars thing. Is it in episodes, or is it going to be a coherent movie?
And what's this about spaceballs now?
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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 13, 2008 7:18:25 GMT -5
Ah, but if you read it, there was only a single ARC Trooper, and RepComs were arranged into squads of four, which doesn't go into fifty well. And come on. Sending fifty men at once to the exact same spot when there's thousands of battle droids up there. Ever hear of suicide? well, thats what happened. there was no significant causalties on the droids and the entire team of commandos whet *poof*
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Post by samuel on Aug 13, 2008 20:43:09 GMT -5
who gave the order to do that? Yeah, I'll definitely have to look at the book again; your memory seems more fresh than mine (though I usually remember the big picture better than I do the details). But I still highly doubt the authors meant that the commandos were just marching up the hill. They probably were operating in teams of four and doing commandoish stuff, but you're right, you usually don't want special forces to make up the frontline lol. The commandos probably would have done better on a flank or maybe amongst the rocks where they could quickly hide and move out to a new position. And apparently, they weren't mobilized either which is one thing that makes special forces so effective; maybe the armies didn't have the necessary equipment to mobilize the commandos? I don't know though. This is interesting; I'll definitely have to check it out.
And weren't there more ARCs? I thought I remember several ARCs on the recon mission at night, but again, I need to look at the book because my memory can be faulty when it comes to details.
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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 13, 2008 21:01:44 GMT -5
They were commandos, not ARCs, if my memory serves me correctly.
The commandos were to 'pave the way' for the flanking force, they left early early morning 3ish 4ish
and none ever came back
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Post by Calvin "Freckle" McMurray on Aug 14, 2008 19:45:55 GMT -5
Like the dreadnauts...uh.....Katana fleet.
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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 14, 2008 20:12:14 GMT -5
what are youtalking about?
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Post by Daniel on Aug 16, 2008 1:49:42 GMT -5
The Authors meant whatever they wrote.
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Post by Kal Skirata on Aug 16, 2008 17:42:37 GMT -5
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